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Questions in the House of Lords
| Georgina Bruni (Author of "You Can't Tell the People") adds her comments to former Chief of Defence Staff, Admiral of the Fleet, Lord Hill-Norton's Questions in the House of Lords: 23 Jan 2001 : Column WA7
Blundeston Prison and Hollesley Bay YCC (now YOI - Young Offenders Institution):
Possible Evacuation Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether staff at Blundeston Prison or Hollesley Bay Youth Correction Centre received any instructions to prepare for a possible evacuation at some time between 25 and 30 December 1980; and if so, why these instructions were issued.[HL319] 23 Jan 2001 : Column WA8
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord Bassam of Brighton): We can find no record of any such instructions. G.Bruni Comments: Lord Hill -Norton asked a similar
Question a few years ago concerning Highpoint prison. The Answer
was that the warden's log for that period was no longer available.
The reason for these Questions was because a prison officer had
claimed that Highpoint had been on alert for evacuation on 27
December 1980. Since then (see my book) I have learnt of two more
local prisons that were said to be on alert (as above). I am not
satisfied with the Answer and hope that Lord Hill-Norton will
ask it again in more detail. We need to know why they can find
no records. Have these logs gone missing too and, if so, why?
25 Jan 2001 : Columns WA21/22 Rendlesham Forest Incident
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they are aware of any involvement by Special Branch personnel in the investigation of the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident.[HL303]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: Special Branch officers may have been aware of the incident but would not have shown an interest unless there was evidence of a potential threat to national security. No such interest appears to have been shown. G.Bruni Comments: According to the Deputy Base
Commander of AFOSI RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge (at time of incident)
Special Branch would have been alerted. My argument is that the
incident was a threat to national security because these objects
were intruding on British territory and could have been anything
from Soviet craft to terrorists, therefore SB should have at least
checked out the incident before passing it over to another agency.
The commander actually offered the names of the SB officers that
would have had this information. I did not publish their names
for obvious reasons. If no interest was shown then we must question
our security agencies.
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether personnel from Porton Down visited Rendlesham Forest or the area surrounding RAF Walton in December 1980 or January 1981; and whether they are aware of any tests carried out in either of those two areas aimed at assessing any nuclear, biological or chemical hazard.[HL301]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: The staff at the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (DERA) Chemical and Biological Defence (CBD) laboratories at Porton Down have made a thorough search of their archives and have found no record of any such visits. G.Brini Comments: That should have been RAF "Watton"
not Walton. According to my witness from RAF Watton, some agency,
presumably from Porton Down, did visit Watton and investigate
the area on the perimeter of the base. Then the question is, if
they were not from Porton Down, which is the place one would expect
it to be, where was the unit from? I expect like the first Answer,
any reference to this event has been carefully logged elsewhere.
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they are aware of any uncorrelated targets tracked on radar in November or December 1980; and whether they will give details of any such incidents.[HL302]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: Records dating from 1980 no longer exist. Paper records are retained for a period of three years before being destroyed. Recordings of radar data are retained for a period of thirty days prior to re-use of the recording medium. G.Bruni Comments: It is a fact that radar tracking
tapes are re-used but there should be paper records. If this is
the case then why was researcher Nick Redfern able to get verbatim
data (from the logs) in 1987.
Unidentified Flying Objects
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
What is the highest classification that has been applied to any Ministry of Defence document concerning Unidentified Flying Objects.[HL304]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: A limited search through available files has identified a number of documents graded Secret. The overall classification of the documents was not dictated by details of specific sightings of "UFOs". G.Bruni Comments: I think that is very interesting
and if the Rendlesham files are secret as I would expect them
to be, we may never see them.
30 Jan 2001 : Column WA49
Rendlesham Forest/RAF Bentwaters Incident
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they will detail the underground facilities at the former RAF Bentwaters installation; and what is the purpose of these facilities.[HL320]
The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence (Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean):
There are no underground facilities at the former RAF Bentwaters. G.Bruni Comments: Actually, there are underground
facilities at Bentwaters but they are sealed. The security chief
at the installation who gave me a guard and permission to investigate
the buildings, told me the underground facilities were sealed
when the MOD put the base up for sale. He had written several
times to the MOD requesting details of these but although they
promised to look into the matter, he received nothing. I also
discovered a door in the main command post that was clearly an
entrance to an underground facility because it could not lead
to anywhere above ground. The guard had no keys for this very
important door that was covered in warning signs. According to
the chief of security there are still several parts of the installation
that are sealed. So, the Answer is in essence is crafty because
as the facilities are now sealed, one could surmise that there
are none.
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they are aware of any involvement in the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident by either Ministry of Defence Policy or personnel from the Suffolk Constabulary.[HL321)
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean:
The Minister of Defence is not aware of any involvement by the Ministry of Defence Police in the alleged incident. The Ministry of Defence's knowledge of involvement by the Suffolk Police is limited to a letter dated 28 July 1999 from the Suffolk Constabulary to Georgina Bruni that is contained in the recent book. G.Bruni Comments: According to the Deputy Base
Commander of AFOSI RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge (at time of incident),
a member of the ARRS and two other commanders, the MOD police
would have been informed immediately. If the MOD have to resort
to my book for information then we must question why this is so.
Where are these records?
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they are aware of any investigation of the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident carried out by the United States Air force, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations or any other United States agency.[HL322]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean:
The Ministry of Defence's knowledge of an investigation by the US authorities into the alleged incident in Rendlesham Forest in 1980 is limited to the information contained in the memorandum sent by Lt Col Halt USAF, Deputy Base Commander at RAF Woodbridge, to the RAF Liaison Officer at RAF Bentwaters on 13 January 1981. G.Bruni Comments: Notice there is no mention of
the covering note from Squadron Leader Donald Moreland which is
titled "Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)" Also no mention
of the telephone calls he made concerning the incident, which
really should have been logged considering they were from the
British Liaison Officer. What has happened with this case is that
the MOD have not left a paper trail.
30 Jan 2001 : Column WA50
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether, in the light of the new information contained in Georgina Bruni's book You Can't Tell the People, they will now launch an investigation into the Rendlesham Forest incident and the response to this incident by the United States Air Force and the Ministry of Defence.[HL352]#
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean:
No additional information has come to light over the last 20 years to call into question the original judgment by the Ministry of Defence that nothing of defence significance occurred in the location of Rendlesham Forest in 1980. Accordingly there is no reason to hold an investigation now. G.Bruni Comments: This is the Answer that really
annoys me (it's the standard line) because I am aware (from a
memo that had my name on it) and has since been stamped "restricted"
that certain high officials have read my book. Therefore the MOD
must have all the new information. If the officials in office
at this time are not aware of anything else due to the cover-up,
then the information in my book alone should be enough to open
an investigation.
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they have made any approach to, or received any approach from, any United States government or military agency concerning Georgina Bruni's book You Can't Tell the People; and, if so, whether they will give details of any such approach. [HL353]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean:
As a matter of courtesy, the Ministry of Defence informed Headquarters 3rd Air Force at RAF Mildenhall about the book. The US authorities have not subsequently approached the Ministry of Defence on the issue. G.Bruni Comments: If there is no additional information
then why would it be necessary to alert RAF Mildenhall about my
book. After all, it's just a UFO story and according to the MOD
it is of no defence interest....
Lord Hill-Norton asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they now agree with the analysis of the basic facts of the Rendlesham Forest/RAF Bentwaters incident in the fourth paragraph of Lord Hill-Norton's letter to Lord Gilbert of 22 October 1997, reported on page 429 of Georgina Bruni's book You Can't Tell the People; or, if not, in what respect they disagree. [HL354]
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean:
The Ministry of Defence's position regarding this alleged sighting remains as it did at the time of Lord Gilbert's reply to the noble Lord's letter of 22nd October 1997. From surviving departmental records, we remain satisfied that nothing of defence significance occurred on the nights in question. G.Bruni Comments: That's a very interesting reply
considering Lord Gilbert's reply suggested that they did not routinely
contact witnesses who submit reports of UFOs. In this instance
the witness was Lt Colonel Charles I Halt, Deputy Base Commander
of a NATO installation in Britain that deployed nuclear weapons.
Lord Hill-Norton has had a passionate interest in this case for many years and has done a good job in trying to get answers and, I know he is as annoyed as others that the MOD keep avoiding the issues.
I stand by my case; this incident has to be of extreme defence significance. The problem is (and I quote our former Prime Minister who was in office at the time of the incident, Margaret Thatcher) "You can't tell the people". Georgina Bruni |